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MarvelVision News Update: Scarlet Witch, Mephisto And More

Alex Zalben065 mins
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On this week’s Marvel Studios news update, we’re talking about the rumored Mephisto special, the return of Scarlet Witch and more. Is Sacha Baron Cohen already at work on a Mephisto one-shot special for the MCU? Will Elizabeth Olsen return as Scarlet Witch, and if so, where — and when? Plus, Steven Yeun comments on his Thunderbolts role, and other hot, breaking news items.

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Episode Transcript

Alexander Zalben
Welcome to MarvelVision, a podcast about Marvel, the MCU and right now all the Marvel news you can use. I’m Alex.

Justin Tyler
Justin, you’re gonna use this news. Oh, yeah. Daily life. Like when the cavemen first emerged from cave… Caves. The first thing they needed was fire. And Marvel news

Alexander Zalben
Exactly they were like give me updates about Thunderbolts. And that’s one of the things we’re gonna do here on the podcast. We have a bunch of news items that have broken over the course of the past week. Just to mention at the top if you’ve got a tip or a rumor or something you want us to cover. Email us at ComicBookClubLive@gmail.com

Justin Tyler
Hit us up at the news desk. Our fleet of young reporters will definitely dive in.

Alexander Zalben
Cubs, again tied back to the whole cave thing. That’s what we’re doing here. It’s a whole theme this episode. Let’s jump into it. This is a big one. This is very rumory. This comes from a bunch of different sources, but I saw this over on CBR, Comic Book Resources. Is Marvel working on a secret Mephisto special? There’s a couple of layers to this rumor here. The first part is that Sacha Baron Cohen is very heavily rumored to be playing Mephisto in Ironheart the spin off of Black Panther Wakanda Forever. I believe that was confirmed by Deadline, though not confirmed by Marvel. Of course they haven’t said anything about that casting however, the second part of this rumor is that Sacha Baron Cohen is currently reprising his role as Mephisto and shooting on the scene is set as Agatha: Coven of Chaos to do a Mephisto one shot special presentation a la the Werewolf by Night thing or the Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special all focused on Mephisto What do you think about this because I have some reservations let’s say.

Justin Tyler
I think reservations– it’s very funny to me how much we were like Mephistos coming we’re gonna see him he’s a coming up, I guaranteed that’s what it is. Yeah. And now that now we have sort of weirdly too much Mephisto probably happening and it feels– now it feels weird. It feels like Ironheart and Mephisto feel like not part of the same sort of type of story potentially. But that’s where it is in a special from Mephisto actually fits more for me, but then it makes me feel like are they setting up in Mephisto for another larger role, perhaps in some sort of Spider-Man universe, where in fact Mephisto has had a large role in the comic books, undoing the marriage between he and Mary Jane. Now obviously they’re not married. But as we learned at the end of the last movie, they have no– she doesn’t know him. You’re gonna have something that a young Peter Parker might be willing to make a deal with a devil about? Because of his true love.

Alexander Zalben
That would be absolutely wild. Just to take a quick step back to the whole Ironheart that was

Justin Tyler
that was a lot it was a lot of stuff. That was a lot of stuff. But that’s what I’m excited about.

Alexander Zalben
Yeah, yeah, no, I get it. I get it. The thing about Ironheart and obviously we don’t specifically know the plot, but we do know that Anthony Ramos I believe it’s Anthony Ramos is playing The Hood. And The Hood gets his demonic hood by making a deal with the devil. So it would make sense that Mephisto is in there in some way we have talked about before about how there’s a potential interesting clash between magic and science going on in the show, not what I’d expect by Ironheart. But I’m very curious to see it. Yeah, I think that holds me up a little bit. I totally believe that Sacha Baron Cohen would play Mephisto

Justin Tyler
It’s great casting. Let’s say that that’s a good look for them. I feel like he has the kind of charisma and comedic chops that like Robert Downey Jr. Brought to their original Tony Stark, you know,

Alexander Zalben
the thing that holds me up a little bit about this current stage of the rumor and I’m curious as somebody who does production to get your commentary on this is the idea that they’re shooting him Mephisto special on the set the same time they’re shooting Agatha: Coven of Chaos. That seems weird to me.

Justin Tyler
I mean, that is a little weird, unless it may that saying it that way makes me think that Mephisto will also appear in the Agatha show, which makes a lot of sense from which the devil point of view that’s a strong, obvious connect. As far as shooting something on the same set. That’s not that strange. It may be that act from a production point of view and maybe they had to stop down for for, for some sort of production reason, like one of the stars had to go do something else. So they had a couple of days on the stage. They were like, Okay, let’s slide the Mephisto thing in here, especially if it’s, if it’s a set, like if it’s a stage like that has the Volume on it, and it can be anything there’s no real loss there. Or if it’s something where like it gets a Volume you can just put anything back there. So there’s no real it’s just moving props in and out or set pieces. So from a production point of view, I don’t find that to be too strange. In fact, it may be some nice synergy if there’s any sort of similar storylines between Agatha and Mephisto.

Alexander Zalben
It also the– okay that makes a lot of sense. I get that. I do think that then question becomes about scheduling, something we’re gonna be talking about a little later in the podcast, because we still don’t know when any of these shows are coming out. Agatha: Coven of Chaos they’ve talked about maybe sometime next year. They’re saying Mephisto special might be sometime this year. If there is a specific tie with them. I can see some sort of like Mephistos Day Off type thing happening where you has been, what has– Rosencrantz and Guildenstern-ing his way through Agatha: Coven of Chaos, but then you need that to come first. So lots of question marks here seems potentially reasonable, but I guess we’ll see what happens.

Justin Tyler
Well, and then you get into like, and I know we’re going to talk about this in a little bit. But like the idea that like Marvel’s pulling back, like we’re not going to do as many things because Agatha: Coven of Chaos feels like the actual opposite of that, where it’s like, yeah, this is a spinoff from sort of a spin off about a character that we all love, but doesn’t relate to a lot of other modern marvel continuity. It’s like stepping out on one tree limb as opposed to connecting back to a larger piece. So the fact that the Agatha is still going forward, and we’re going to see that and Mephisto is potentially an extension of that even feels very strange. So I do that may may be it was originally a secondary thing, but they want to put Mephisto in first, because they’ve heard the fan outcry back from earlier on in in the MCU. And they’re like, well, this there seems to be an interest in this character. So let’s make this more of a centerpiece.

Alexander Zalben
Well, let’s talk about a character that everybody is interested in, which is the Scarlet Witch Elizabeth Olsen has been touring around with her new TV show, excuse me, I was about to say movie and getting a lot of questions, of course about Scarlet Witch. The first one, I’ll try to do my best Elizabeth Olsen impression here in terms of how she answered this. It’s not actually going to be an impression– but she was talking to Deadline and they asked her about returning as Wanda after a Multiverse of Madness. And she said, I don’t know ever how to answer these questions, except I don’t… I think I’ll be back. And there was that

Justin Tyler
You could hear her agent in her brain being like Don’t say you’re not coming back. Say you want to come back.

Alexander Zalben
And the weird thing about the quote was just be like except I it was hard to tell if she was like doing a fun bit of like, I don’t think I’ll be back. I don’t I think I’ll be like maybe she was doing a bit. Maybe she was saying something very weird. A little more definitive. She talked to ScreenRant about this as well when she was on a carpet. I think there’s down at South by Southwest. We can do anything with her now. I feel like we’ve done so much. Now we can really have fun. I feel like there’s a lot more humor to be had with her. She’s often the emotion of a story and I’m curious to see what we could explore and hopefully we can give her some redemption. So what do you think about that, given that she was flat as a pancake at the end of Multiverse of Madness? Do you want to see Scarlet Witch back? How do you want to see Scarlet Witch back? What’s your take on it?

Justin Tyler
Well, just if I were to decipher that quote directly, where it’s like she could be funny too, and we could redeem her a little bit. I’m like, that feels like an episode of Agatha. Like they, like somehow conjure her from beyond or something like that. And it’s like more of a comedic because like Agatha is, we think is a comedy, right? It’s at least comedic ly driven, rather than like another sort of Scarlet Witch from Dr. Strange style like this is a absolute monster trying to take over the world. So I do. I’ll tell you

Alexander Zalben
Not to interrupt, but if it’s Kathryn Hahn, Aubrey Plaza, Amy Poehler and a bunch of other cast members in a deathly serious drama? They’ve got a horribly wrong somewhere.

Justin Tyler
I mean, the never know what’s happening. So– So anyway, like I think her quote feels like she’s dancing around something very obvious that Scarlet Witch will be in an episode of Agatha being redeemed in a fun.

Alexander Zalben
Yeah. I do. I didn’t like Multiverse of Madness. I didn’t think it was good movie, but I do think there was a finality there in terms of what happens with the Scarlet Witch obviously, I’ve seen superhero movies before. Obviously, we’ve been reading comics for decades at this point. So I know there’s a billion ways of bringing her back. But I like the finality. I like the idea of letting characters and I don’t need to see Ironman again. He had a good ending at Avengers Endgame. I don’t necessarily need to see Captain America again. Same sort of thing. Like he had it an ending there. So like, I know that’s not the point of the comics. I know that’s antithetical to comics and superhero storytelling. But as a movie goer, and TV watcher in particular, I like finality I like ending because these are real human people that actually do get older. I don’t think we’re gonna have that here, though.

Justin Tyler
Well, but I also think like movies are, are finite. Storytelling. objects, like comic books and TV are about being on ending and episodic and always like, pulling you in for the next one. But movies aren’t like that, like movies are specifically about like, this is the end. And if you want to see another one, we’re going to make a sequel, but it’s going to be different and you have to pay again. So I agree with you. I think it’s harder to make like, well, now they’re back. Now they’re back. You can’t pull that trick over and over again, or else it starts to get a little like not interesting.

Alexander Zalben
I do like your idea to bring Scarlet Witch back as part of Agatha: Coven of Chaos. That’s a way that it doesn’t feel like we need to give her this whole emotional arc and bring finality to her story or anything. Just bring her in for a bit and that’s a good way of doing it because Elizabeth Olsen funny actress.

Justin Tyler
Yeah, and I also think that’s how they should touch on all the characters you mentioned like Captain America I think I don’t know if we want to see you. Maybe we see him in a flashback or we see him in like a vision or a dream or like anything like that. That’s a great way to keep their power is in the Marvel Universe moving forward because those characters inspire all of the current quote unquote Avengers that and heroes that we’re seeing, like, directly like the current Captain America is directly inspired by Steve Rogers, like iron heart is a direct descendant of Iron Man like it’s all right there. So like we can see them but I don’t think we want to inject them. Into the story as a main character again.

Alexander Zalben
Let’s move on to talk about a new character. This very mysterious character. Steven Yeun was also touring around for some new stuff I believe this is Beef, which is coming to Netflix that also was premiering at South by Southwest but he talked to Empire a little bit about his role in Thunderbolts all he said is I don’t know if it was explicitly on my bucket list in terms of joining the MCU it was more of the story getting to work with Jake Schreier, again, who directed Beef and what his intentions were the intentions of the particular character that they wanted me to play. Were very clear. And that’s what drew me to the film. Now I’ll just say this is probably Steven Yeun, this training on Walking Dead saying lots of things without actually saying anything coming through here which set him up very well for Marvel. But given these very vague comments, what do you think? What do you take away from Steven Yeun on Thunderbolts?

Justin Tyler
I mean, you’re right he he’s more like he’s very savvy about talking about it, but not talking about it. And I’m trying to figure out what character you could be talking about, like what do you what is that? Is it a it’s a villain is it like

Alexander Zalben
I, everybody keeps trying to be like, is he The Sentry in the Thunderbolts? Is he some other Marvel character they keep trying to game that out? I feel like he’s a guy? Probably is my guess? Like he’s an agent to Damage Control or whatever agency Thunderbolts and Valentina are working with. Maybe he’s working against them in some way. I’d love to see him in some sort of main role, but I get the sense now that people just kind of want to do Marvel movies. Basically, it’s all on William Jackson Harper in Quantumania, where he came in and I was like, oh, that’s that’s not a guy we’re gonna see again. All right. I really like him as an actor. He’s funny, but clearly, it’s like, cool Marvel paycheck. Let’s do this. So maybe it’s the same thing with Stephen Yeun. Though there has been talk about it potentially being a role that goes forward. I guess this is a roundabout way of saying that when they said– when he said this and when he said this quote, by my mind, they went to Martin Freeman in the Black Panther movies, and it feels like he could inhabit the same sort of role.

Justin Tyler
Interesting. I mean, like, The Sentry is a interesting character, but on top in a big movie with a ton of characters that need some explaining reign. Re-introduction to in the Thunderbolts movie to explain The Sentry is crazy, which is like a hero that was alive who has an internal alter ego that is also his arch enemy, who is like sort of losing his mind all the time, but also not and a great hero, but also his own villain, like it’s just like, it’s chaotic to have to do that. I see some other rumors here about him playing Amadeus Cho. That feels very strange and also feels like look an Asian character. Yeah, that’s being played by so that feels like–

Alexander Zalben
I don’t like that.

Justin Tyler
No, I agree. That feels like just bad thinking from the rumor mill trying to put that together. Because there’s, it’s not like you have to hire Steven Yeun video and to play an Asian character from the comics. It can be any character like Sentry–

Alexander Zalben
And Steven Yeun is– If people that have only seen him on Walking Dead or something like that? He’s phenomenal. He’s so good. Oh, my God.

Justin Tyler
Nope.

Alexander Zalben
Yeah. If you haven’t seen Nope, he has this monologue where he talks about an SNL sketch that is one of the best pieces of acting in the year. Also, just because we’re talking about it. I’ve seen the first five episodes Beef which is coming to Netflix. It’s him versus Ali Wong. Basically they have like a road rage incident, and it spins wildly out of control from there. And it just sort of the two of them in a actually very dramatic but sort of comedic way. It’s an A24 shows to give you the idea of like, yeah, doing some very dark stuff to each other. But he’s so good and so different than that as well. To shoebox him like we’re saying, like, Asian man Asian role is it’s racist, so maybe don’t do that.

Justin Tyler
100% I was surprised by so many people and articles written about it. I’m like, What are they doing?

Alexander Zalben
Yeah. So I don’t know. I could see him in some sort of generic agent role. I could see I don’t know if there’s any like classic Thunderbolts characters. Obviously. We’ve already had Baron Zemo. I think that’s where my mind would go immediately because I’d want them in a big role. Yeah, it also doesn’t seem like they’re doing classic comic book Thunderbolts. So I’m not sure what, whatever it is, I will say I was a little iffy about the Thunderbolts comment. The whole idea of the movie, I’m not quite sure how it was gonna come together. There’s a lot of characters with very similar powers on it. But hearing Steven Yeun say the intentions are clear and him being into it. He’s a dude who knows how to choose projects very wisely. So yeah, that made me a little more excited about Thunderbolts personally.

Justin Tyler
Yeah, and like the idea of a comic book movie coming at it from like, These people aren’t shining bright superheroes is really interesting undercutting the whole thing. Not in a the boys way where it’s purposefully they’re straight up evil. They have good intentions, but they’re sort of bad at it. He’s really interesting and has a ton of comedic possibilities. So like, and sort of Bad News Bears style superhero team that just can’t get it together until they maybe do at the end. A lot of fun opportunity there. So I’m looking forward to it especially with Steven Yeun involved.

Alexander Zalben
Yeah, next up, there was a synopsis released for X-Men ’97 the animated series that has taken a very long time to get here again, something we will be talking about in a moment. This is via Collider, Storm and Wolverine try to continue the X-Men Magneto comes in and wants to step up for Charles Xavier, Sinister comes in to try to end the X-Men once and for all. My reaction is that tracks.

Justin Tyler
Yeah, well also, it’s like you love the X-Men. Well, here’s a complicated version of it. feels sort of weird to me, but also setting like X-Men ’97 I don’t know. It’s so esoteric. It’s so specific. who this is for like literally us, right?

Alexander Zalben
Yeah, I think so. I mean, listen, animation and this is not to slag off animation because I love animation, but animation has a smaller audience than live action. It just does. You know, you look at the amount of people that were specifically talking about MCU watched what if versus this other thing. So generally, I’m against playing for the crowd, you know, but that’s absolutely what this is. They know who’s gonna watch this. They’re playing it for them. Those folks are the people that are gonna get this deep X-Men continuity and be like ooh, Mr. Sinister come in. Okay, cool. Oh, this is Magneto in the Jim Lee uniform. All right. Let’s go let’s do this. I get all this stuff. So it’s fine.

Justin Tyler
But I’m curious like what’s the tone of this? Because to set something in 1997 like are we commenting on that is it is it actually set 97? Or is it like, just taking the vibe of that and moving it forward? Like, what are we going to do here? Because it could be like the super joke heavy. Like, ha This is ridiculous, almost like, it can’t be even like a Batman 66 But X-Men 97 Or it’s gonna be pretty straightforward. It’s just like, No, this is the sort of the type of X-Men that were starting in and just moving forward.

Alexander Zalben
Yeah, I don’t know. I think I mean, they’re bringing back most of the original cast from X-Men The Animated Series, so I assume just totally they’re going to try to continue that as much as possible. So if you liked X-Men in the animated series, which an entire generation of superhero fans did, you’re probably gonna get more of that. I am always of the opinion, I’d love to see things, you know, twist and change and be tweaked a little bit and really challenge you. But, and this is not to be dismissive again, but I don’t think this is going to be a challenging show. This is going to be more X-Men The Animated Series, and that’s pretty much it.

Justin Tyler
Yeah, do we get to get Morph dying in the first episode?

Alexander Zalben
Oh, God, I hope so. Yeah, every episode Wolverine strokes a picture just like he doesn’t in the meme. And the other thing that’s interesting about setting it in 1997 is you’re not going to get any references to The Matrix because that hasn’t come out yet. You’re not going to get into references to Fight Club or anything like that. Those are all 99. So if they eventually get there, they can drop those refs.

Justin Tyler
That’s a great and specific point, maybe that a lot of the storyline will revolve around the production of Fight Club leading up to its eventual release.

Alexander Zalben
Oh, God, I hope so. All right. Speaking of production, this is even vaguer than Steven Yeun’s quotes. a Marvel movie will shoot in DC later this year. This was revealed by DCist.com, believe there was a speech by a senator that dropped this Marvel movie do is really steal our thunder here.

Justin Tyler
It’s very funny to hear a Marvel movie with shoot in DC it makes it sound like on a Batman set.

Alexander Zalben
I was so confused when I saw this headline. I was like shoot a DC what is going on here but yeah, what do you think? I mean, I think there’s some pretty obvious guesses in terms of what it could be but what’s your best guess for what’s going to shoot in DC later this year?

Justin Tyler
I mean, I gotta think we’re seeing some Captain American New World Order coming from from this. I think Thunderbolts was probably is not necessarily set in DC and probably specifically not wow, if you’re shooting on location. It’s probably a big splashy movie like cap. The articles I mentioned Armor Wars, the sort of the project that can’t really figure itself out. It seems like there was a series and then it was a movie and now I haven’t heard that much about it in the meantime.

Alexander Zalben
Yeah, I think it’s definitely Captain America and this is potentially mildly getting into spoilers here. But apparently in the movie Harrison Ford, who was taken over as Thunderbolt Ross is now President of the United States in the movie? Captain America New World Order. He used to be the Captain America. He’s probably clashing with the US government in some way. Makes a lot of sense to set it in DC. So there you go. Head on down, check out the cherry blossoms and check out Sam Wilson beating the shit out of Harrison Ford. Here’s one– This isn’t even necessarily a news item. But I continue to be struck by this and I was curious to talk through this thing. But the every month we get the do on lists at work. They’re the things that are like Here’s what’s coming up on Netflix. Here’s what’s coming up on Hulu. Here’s what’s coming up on Disney plus. And once again, other than you get Marvel’s Devil– Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur and there’s one other thing that I’m forgetting about but there is no new Marvel show or movie that is coming out in Disney plus in April. And in fact the last time we saw a new MCU show and I’m not talking about the behind the scenes documentaries or clip shows or anything like that was the Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special on November 24. So we know that they’re pulling back on stuff, but I gotta say this feels like a lot of pulling back at this point.

Justin Tyler
Well, yes, I agree. But I also think we were at a peak sort of Marvel glut. A few last year, mid mid last year and not to say that glut is necessarily a bad thing I love bring get it in my body. I love it. But I do think their announcement of like hey, we’re gonna pull back came when they’d already made that decision months. Like they said we’re pulling back in the middle of the pullback. So yeah, it feels like and I think the pullback will continue at its current pace. So I think we’re gonna this is now the new pace we’re getting we’re we’re not going to have Marvel stuff for you know, two three month blocks at a time.

Alexander Zalben
Well, but this is getting back to what exactly what we’re talking about with Coven of Chaos and this Mephisto special… At this point. They have stuff piling up. Like yes I understand we’re taking a break we’re gonna space stuff out, maybe they’re preparing for COVID-19 Part Two or something like that where they’re gonna have to shut down again but they’ve got Echo pretty much done right they’re just starting to shoot Daredevil Born Again they’ve been shooting Agatha Coven of Chaos. They’ve got Secret Invasion has been sitting there for months at this point, just ready to go or pretty much ready to go as far as we know. Plus, everything Ironheart as well. I’m sure there’s a bunch of other things we’re forgetting. So how does that space out then? Are they still are they actually going to pull back to like, Oh, we’re just gonna do two shows a year and Echo which we shot 13 years ago is going to come out 13 years after that, or how does this work?

Justin Tyler
Well, I think it’s more because it’s not about like withholding it from us. I think it’s like, Hey, wait,

Alexander Zalben
No, they’re witholding it from us. Give me!

Justin Tyler
But I do think that’s how it feels. And it’s worse. Like why are you holding on to this when you could just release it but they they’re working on them all more, I think is the idea. They’re like, Okay, wait, how does this all fit together? Do we need to rewrite a reshoot any of this so that it’s better because we started to have a problem where the quality isn’t high enough to meet the mark where people want to go see your Quantumanias. So, like, it’s not about them, just sitting it on a shelf and being like, we’ll release it when we’re good and ready. I think they’re really trying to look at the picture, fix some stuff and move forward more deliberately because competition is getting more intense. With James Gunn, taking over DC and they’ve seen some legit and surely terrifying box office hits when it comes to Quantumania.

Alexander Zalben
Yeah, I think that’s absolutely accurate. And I do my– my most hopeful thing, which is probably very naive. There’s been so much talk about the VFX and actual reporting on it in terms of the VX effects artists complaining talking about Marvel is changing things last second. That’s bad press. It’s the first real bad press that Marvel has gotten in over a decade at this point. So again, this is very naive because I feel like the actual Hollywood way is like Oh, that’s really bad for the VFX artists Well anyway, moving on, but my hope would be exactly what you’re saying that that’s one of the things they’re working on. Like make sure we can give these VFX artists times to make this stuff actually not look like shit because it’s affecting the fan base. It’s affecting the critical reaction. It’s affecting everything.

Justin Tyler
Well, unlike Hollywood at all, like sort of production doesn’t run on like we have to make sure everyone feels good at the end of the day. It runs on Is everyone having the time and resources they need to do their jobs. So the product looks how it feels how it’s supposed to. So like, I agree with you, they don’t care how all the VFX artists are feeling at the end of their 18 hour shift. But when the product doesn’t look as good as it needs to, that’s when like, oh, okay, it seems like they really need us to take a second and make this look good because bad work is bad and it shows up the whole thing’s production. Is everyone has to be doing a good job. If your sound guy is not doing a good job, the movie is bad. And that’s top to bottom everything including obviously VFX.

Alexander Zalben
So last thing I’ll say about this and then we’ll move on to our last news item here. When do you think we’re actually going to get the do next Disney plus show?

Justin Tyler
I mean, it feels like we’re headed for Secret Invasion next is that you think that’s wrong?

Alexander Zalben
It’s either Secret Invasion or Loki Season Two. And my feeling is probably Loki season two, maybe May but more likely June, to give Guardians of the Galaxy space would be my guess?

Justin Tyler
Interesting because like it feels like Loki– Loki hasn’t been on the shelf at all and I know that’s their sort of biggest win probably. But the Secret Invasion is supposed to be good and not and I think we need that flavor more than we need Loki right now I think we need a new exciting thing as opposed to like, here’s another sequel that we’ve already teased and you already sort of know what’s going to happen and it’s more Kang, someone who you’re going to have a long relationship.

Alexander Zalben
We’ve got to get back to it exactly what we’re saying like that’s playing it safe, right? One of the only positive things that everybody agreed on with Ant Man and the Wasp Quantumania was the second post credit scene focusing on Loki was good and exciting. So to build directly on that and draw that line there. That’s hopefully if it’s good, even though they’ve changed a lot of behind the scenes staff at Loki sees it too. If it’s good, that is a win for them. That’s like okay, we can relax for a second.

Justin Tyler
Yeah, that’s fair and they need a win but I gotta think Secret Invasion has to come right on the heels of yes Loki.

Alexander Zalben
We’ll see if maybe we’re gonna get that Mephisto special first. Last but not least, this was an interesting thing that happened I probably not interesting for the people involved but it for those of you don’t know there’s a Marvel Studios spoiler Reddit that puts up sometimes their spoilers like big spoiler guys, here’s a new poster for Ant-Man and the Wasp Quantumania, but also they post a lot of stuff from people who are leakers. They’re very careful actually about hey, this is a rumor. This is the level of trustworthy this particular rumor monger is so they’re very good about it like it was a good Reddit all told for Reddit. But somebody well you know sometimes the garbage the somebody put up I believe 60 pages of a transcript of Ant-Man and the Wasp Quantumania, including audio files a month before the movie came out. Marvel and Disney got wind of that they’re suing Reddit, suing Google they wanted them to reveal the name of the person. The Marvel Studios Spoilers Reddit has temporarily not shut down but gone private in response to that until they learn how to deal with this. So lots of stuff going on there. What do you think about this? Do you think this is? Well go ahead, Justin.

Justin Tyler
Well, I think the the rumor rumor mills and like secrets for Marvel movies in any project. It’s good for the movies, mostly, like even if there are an actual leak. It still builds buzz it’s still getting us somewhere and it’s like, oh my god, what if Sacha Baron Cohen is playing the Mephisto. Oh my God he is. Okay. Oh, well. I knew that first like it’s good fan bait. But when it crosses over into materials being leaked, like audio, that’s where they’re like, hey, no, no, you can’t do that. That’s our product that you’re teasing out and that could de incentivize people from going to see the actual movie because like, I’ve already heard it, so I don’t need to see it. And that’s where they’re when the money gets hit. That’s where they’re going to come in. So it’s a it’s a strong pendulum swing between these two things, and they just crossed the line.

Alexander Zalben
Yeah, totally agree with that. And I think Marvel Studios Spoilers Reddit, again, is dealing with it correctly by going private tried to deal with it. I hope they don’t I don’t know. I feel very conflicted about releasing the person’s name because that’s a level of letting Marvel and Disney go into this stuff.

Justin Tyler
Punish someone? Well and also getting your hands on audio like that. That’s like, that would be that’s someone like who has access to the cut of the movie and it’s like, you know, I don’t know who that would be like an assistant editor or someone who’s like, I’m just gonna sneak this out. It’s, it is someone who is like damaging their product. So that’s why they want to know but I gotta think they’ll scold the Reddit and then just be like, okay, don’t post stuff. Post your rumors don’t post stuff.

Alexander Zalben
Well I think on the flip side of that, I do think there’s something to be said for this whole spoiler culture, encouraging people who are even involved in a production to push this stuff out there and that’s bad. That’s being bad at your job. You shouldn’t be doing that stuff. There is a difference. To get back to something you were talking about earlier. In the podcast, between reporters from a legitimate outlet talking to people about VFX, making sure their identities are perfect– protected, vetting it, checking everything, talking to an editor and crafting a piece versus somebody being like, I’m pissed off about what’s going on with my job. I gotta post 60 pages of the script or 60 minutes of audio, or whatever it’s going to be. It’s hard for some people to make that division in their mind Yeah, but, you know, they really gotta just be professional at your job.

Justin Tyler
Yeah, that’s true, just like how we are professional at our podcasting.

Alexander Zalben
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Justin Tyler
So anyway, 100% guarantee Mephisto is in the next Spider Man.

Alexander Zalben
Absolutely. He’s gonna take that marriage.

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